This made me so angry. I went to church (LDS) for the first time in about six months today. It was a testimony meeting and one lady stood up and talked about proposition 8 the entire time. She talked about how "great" it was that the church stood together on banning gay marriage. She talked about our "noble" cause in protecting marriage, and she said that it was great for the church because now other "moral" people know that we stand with them.
Hearing that pissed me off so much. First of all the church has no stand on proposition 8. the church says that it's members shouldn't be gay. The church has never said that it was the responsibility of it's members to make sure non members live by the churches standards. it's biggots like the woman in church today who feel like "my religion is right and everyone has to live by my standards." not only that but she made anyone in the room who was pro gay marriage, feel like they werent good members. I call that propoganda. Second she said that their cause was noble! I say that suppressing gays and saying that they don't deserve the rights that straight people have is about as noble as owning slaves. she thinks that people don't deserve rights becuase they are different than her.
I think that the churches stand on gay marriage would hurt it more than help it. sure other biggots will be more likely to join, but an open minded individual will look at it in disgust.
I'm not saying that the LDS church or any other church, teaches biggotry. I am saying that many members do. The last thing she said would have made me laugh if I wasn't so angry, she thanked all the members for putting up with all the hatred and threats they got for standing by proposition 8. IS SHE CRAZY! anyone who thinks that straight people get more hatred or threats than gay people do needs to get out more because that is a lie. I think that homophobia is way more common than racism.
I'm sorry if this blog offended anyone, I just needed to let off some steam, and I feel strongly about this issue and I don't see any good reasons why gays shouldn't have the rights straight people have. When I've brought this issue up to people most people say something like "well I just think it's gross" or "it's immoral." Well I think that many of the things you do are gross too, but who cares if it's behind closed doors. It's not like they will be having sex in public. and again, who are you to decide the morals someone else should live by. If you think being gay is wrong, DON'T BE GAY, and leave other people alone.
I've also heard that allowing gay people the tax benifits of being married will be to costly. People who believe that should be against marriage of all types. I can't imagine that 2% making a bigger difference than the 98% of people who are straight. (I just made up those stats by the way) If you are going to fight what's bound to happen eventually (gay marriage) at least don't stand up in church and pretend that you are doing what God wants you to do.
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It sounds to me like you have more anger against the church than just this one issue.
Yes, the church is against gay marriage and yes they are taking a stand in what they believe. Don't they have that right too? This woman in church is not a biggot. She is just expressing her belief that the stand the church took was "noble." You are running off the assumption that she is forcing her belief on everyone who disagrees with her. Based on what you described her testimony like, it doesn't sound like that was her intention. She has a right to express her opinion just as much as gays have a right to equality.
In response to the comment on the Church's intention about the stand they took: The LDS church is not getting involved in the whole proposition as part of a way to exploit the church and recruit members. They aren't teaching biggotry or trying to condemn anybody for being gay. They have their beliefs and their right to that belief is being impeded just as the rights of gay people are. It is one big cycle that goes back and forth.
Through the duration of this campaign, the harassment and personal attacks on belief has gone both ways. Not one side of this argument has been completely free of suppression as far as the other sides rights go.
I still have not determined what I think the best course of action would be to resolve this issue, but I do think that BOTH sides need to relax and be a little more open minded and accepting of other's beliefs. Harassment, arguments, and judgements being passed from one side to the other is not the way to handle this. The whole situation- on both sides- has been utterly hypocritical.
I know that the church doesnt teach biggotry, but I do think that she is trying to force others to live by her morals by making it a law. do you think that if someone thought slavery was ok, they should be able to try and make it legal again. I don't. i know they have the freedom of speech and the right to speak their mind but I think that if your beliefs are that hurting people is ok, you lose that right. thats the way i look at it anyways, maybe im a biggot.
I am an LDS member but i am also pro-gay marriage. This gives me an interesting perspective on this issue. I do not believe we can attack the church in this matter. Yes, this woman may have pushed the issue too much and political things should be kept out of church, but the church does have a stand on homosexuals in general. It is their moral value and they are allowed to take a stand on this. I have a close friend of mine who is a member of the church and he has homosexual tendencies but he is not disfellowshipped as long as he does not act on this. It is the same as drinking or premarital sex which are against church "rules". As long as we do not act on these urges the church does not disfellowship us. This woman may have the wrong perspective and I too believe politics should not be brought into the church. The church can not be held responsible for her strong sided opinion- only this lady can be. I agree with Courtney, both sides on this issue just need to cool down:).
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